Jason Wangler Throws a Lifeline to Oil and Gas Investors
Source: Tom Armistead of The Energy
Report (1/15/15 )
The crash in oil prices and the continued
depression in gas prices have exploration and production companies and their
services providers hunkered down, cutting capital expenditures and trying to
bring spending into line with income, says Wunderlich Securities Analyst Jason
Wangler. The likely survivors have similar traits, and in this interview
with The Energy
Report, Wangler shares their secrets, and names
companies he expects will have an especially bright future.
The Energy Report: Jason, last summer oil was more than $100/barrel ($100/bbl) and
most analysts were forecasting long-term stability in the $80+/bbl range. What
tipped the oil price into freefall in July?
Jason Wangler: For the last five to seven years, Saudi Arabia has effectively filled the hole between
supply and demand. When the oil price was high, producers were ramping up oil
production, so Saudi Arabia 's market share declined. In July and the
months that have followed, Saudi Arabia, a low-cost producer, decided that
rather than just continue to fill this hole, which was continually becoming
less important, it would make a stand and show the world that it can produce
oil at a lower cost than other countries. We are starting to feel the effects
of what that means for oil prices.
TER: Saudi Arabia had that much influence in the market? It
could just kick out the props and let it fall?
JW: The world market has about 93 million
barrels per day (93 MMbbl/d) of production. Saudi Arabia produces about 10 MMbbl/d of that. We—meaning
the U.S. —are also at about 10 MMbbl/d now, and Russia is 8–9 MMbbl/d. Those are the three biggest
players in the game. But Saudi Arabia is different from the U.S. or Russia in that it has the ability to very quickly
speed up or slow down production as it sees fit.
For the last five years or so, the Saudis sped
up or slowed down production according to world demand. And as the U.S. continued to grow production almost 1 million
barrels/day in each of the last couple of years, the Saudis were seeing lower
market share. And finally, the Saudis decided they didn't want to continue to
be a less important player. They wanted to show the world that they still have
a significant control over prices. And they do. This is an exporting country.
It can control how much to put into the market.
TER: Oil prices continue falling. Are you seeing
any signs of a slowdown yet?
JW: In terms of the price? I don't think any
producer can really sustain at $50/bbl oil. But the price keeps falling, so in
the near term there's some irrationality in the market. I'm hopeful it starts
to slow down, because nobody's making money at these levels.
TER: What's your forecast for oil this year?
JW: Right now, for the full year, we're
forecasting oil at about $70/bbl. We think the price will start to correct
itself—the question is how quickly—and get back to a level that is rational
from an economic perspective, whether in the U.S. or internationally. We're using $70/bbl as
the price because in the U.S. everybody is cutting capital expenditures
(capex) dramatically. You'll see that across the globe as well. People try to
rectify cash inflows and cash outflows, and that's going to take some time to
wash through the system. But soon you'll start to see hypergrowth in the U.S. In other places growth will slow down because
of the lack of investment.
TER: Natural gas has struggled to remain
above $3/thousand cubic feet ($3/Mcf), and it's still under pressure. What is
your forecast for gas this year?
JW: We haven't been bullish on gas for the
better part of the last five years. We have so much supply in the U.S. that you could tell me a number and probably
back into how much is going to be produced. For a full year we're forecasting
prices in the $4/Mcf range, which I don't think is too crazy. It's finally
starting to get cold across the U.S. , so we'll see if weather impacts the price.
Last year, we very briefly touched $6/Mcf in the February–March timeframe.
But outside of short-term weather impacts, we
don't see any huge demand drivers increasing the health of natural gas prices.
Even if you do get those drivers, we believe there's a lot of supply out there,
and producers will be happy to put gas to work at any certain price.
TER: If there is a chill in the weather
coming up, is the storage high enough now to keep prices in check this winter?
JW: We're pretty close to the five-year
average, so we have plenty of gas in storage, but we don't have more or less
than in the last few years.
Assuming the weather is cold, you should see
some support in natural gas pricing because we will draw down the inventory.
For the most part, we believe the biggest driver of natural gas pricing is
short term: weather. From a longer-term perspective, there's not anything we
see that will be able to dwarf the supply that we could potentially turn on in
the next few years if we needed to, because of all the great gas plays that we
have.
TER: What effect do low gas prices in North America have on the prospects for liquefied natural
gas (LNG) plants that have been proposed?
JW: The lower the price of gas in the U.S. , the better the chances that those plants
become economic. The headwind has not been low natural gas prices. That's been
the big tailwind for the idea of LNG. The problem has been more political or
regulatory, in that these are very large, very capital-intensive projects. You
have to get a lot of permits to go forward, and they take a long time to build.
We're going to see some incremental LNG work
come on line later this year and into 2016. That will be very interesting
because there is an arbitrage here. We have low natural gas prices, at
$3–4/Mcf. You go over to Asia , or even to Europe , and you're talking about $7/Mcf, and sometimes as high as
$12–13/Mcf. There is a very simple arbitrage if you can get it fully up and
running. The issue is more in terms of how slow it's been to develop due to the
regulatory hurdles. Right now is as good a time as any to take advantage of the
arbitrage, given how low pricing is in the U.S.
TER: Are both oil and gas responding to the
same drivers?
JW: Yes and no. They're both in an
oversupplied market right now, but the reason for the oversupply is different.
Natural gas is a domestic product. It's wholly contained within the U.S. , and we have a lot more supply than demand.
So we've seen depressed natural gas prices for the last five to six years now.
Oil has done very well for a long time. It's
more of a world commodity, though we can't yet export it from the U.S. officially. The price is a nationally driven
number, but it is a world commodity. The issue has been oversupply, not just in
the U.S. shale plays, which are only about 4–5 MMbbl/d of the 93 MMbbl/d
produced worldwide, but from the effects of other producers deciding that they
want to fight for market share as well. The oversupply of oil is market
share-driven.
TER: How are the exploration and production
(E&P) companies responding?
JW: The only thing they can do is hunker
down. Across the board they are cutting capex as fast as they can, trying to
right-size spending versus income. At $90–100/bbl oil they were getting better
cash flows, and the capital markets were wide open for them. Nowadays, the
capital markets are relatively closed, and the E&Ps are getting half as
much cash flow for every barrel they're producing. So they're pulling back
activity as quickly as possible.
I think you'll see the rig count get hammered
the next few months, probably going from the 1,900-rig range a few weeks ago
down to at most 1,500 rigs—and maybe lower—very quickly. E&Ps are spending
less on growth as they focus more on surviving and keeping a decent balance
sheet.
TER: Does the strong U.S. dollar have an
effect on the upstream oil and gas companies?
JW: It doesn't help. A weaker dollar makes
it easier for other countries to buy oil. The stronger dollar makes it more
expensive, in foreign currency, to buy oil. Alongside all of this discussion
about Saudi Arabia and oversupply, the fact that the U.S. dollar continues to
strengthen makes those barrels more expensive in foreign currencies, prompting
buyers to wait and see if they can pay less. The strengthening dollar has been
another headwind for oil prices.
TER: Tell me about some of your favorite
upstream companies, whether they're E&P or oil field services. How are they
responding to the oil price downturn?
JW: As I said, across the board it's pretty
much the same story. These companies can cut spending, whether that's operational
or capital, to keep focused on the balance sheet rather than on the income
statement or on growth. And in a cyclical business, during the down part of the
cycle, some companies will survive to see better days, because at some point
the cycle will turn. We don't know when, so right now it's simply a matter of
battening down the hatches and doing the best they can in a bad market, waiting
for a better day.
TER: What are some of your favorites?
JW: Some of my favorites are Earthstone
Energy Inc. (ESTE:NYSE.MKT), Gulfport Energy
Corp. (GPOR:NASDAQ), Gastar
Exploration Ltd. (GST:NYSE) and Chesapeake
Energy Corp. (CHK:NYSE) on the E&P side. On the oil
field services side, I really like Seventy Seven
Energy Inc. (SSE:NYSE), Superior
Drilling Products Inc. and Natural Gas
Services Group Inc. (NGS:NYSE).
A lot of these companies share similar traits.
I like having a decent gas content because with most commodities depressed,
having diversity through two commodities is a good strategy. I don't know which
commodity is going to do better going forward, but having the ability to deploy
capital to either one is a strong position.
Having a great balance sheet right now is
about as important as anything, given the fact that companies have to batten
down the hatches and try to survive. Having too much debt or having the issue
of not being able to meet commitments, whether financial or operational, is a
death knell. Gulfport Energy, Gastar Exploration, Earthstone Energy and
Chesapeake Energy all have that ability. From the services side, it's the same
thing. It's about being able to maintain your current position, generate some
cash and wait for a better day, and that's what I think those three services
companies can do.
TER: Why did you initiate coverage of
Earthstone Energy in December 2014?
JW: Earthstone just finished a reverse
merger with a private company called Oak Valley Resources LLC. I've known the
management at Oak Valley for quite a few years. They used to run a
company called GeoResources Inc., which was bought a few years ago by Halcón
Resources Corp. (HK:NASDAQ) for about $1 billion ($1B). The management team
made these kinds of deals three or four times. The team has been very
successful; members know how to not only build an oil and gas company, but also
how to create the endgame of monetizing it. I think they have a great
opportunity to do it again at Earthstone. The last time the management team
entered into a very successful merger was 2008–2009, when most people were in a
bad spot.
I initiated on Earthstone when the Oak Valley deal closed in December. The company has $100
million ($100M) in cash and no debt on the books. While many companies have a
lot of debt and have to focus on just staying alive, Earthstone can be
opportunistic and maybe go out there and grow through acquisitions.
TER: That combination with Oak Valley was interesting. What was the rationale
behind that combination?
JW: Earthstone Energy, being a small,
nonoperated Bakken shale player, was a public entity. Oak Valley was a private entity that wanted at some
point to become public again, so Earthstone Energy brought to the table a
public vehicle that was already trading on the markets, as well as some Bakken
exposure, which the Oak Valley guys have known well. Oak Valley brought some capital—that $100M in cash—and
the management team.
TER: That sounds good for the company. How
did the stakeholders in each company benefit?
JW: From the Oak Valley perspective, it's becoming public and will
have an ability to monetize a position, whether today or in the future, through
selling shares or something of that nature. Also, it allows Oak Valley to be in the public markets to raise money.
For Earthstone Energy, the benefit is a lot more scale. It has only about 2M
shares outstanding; it's a very sleepy Bakken company. Now it has the Bakken
asset and some pretty nice Eagle Ford shale assets as well, brought over from Oak Valley , plus a very good management team.
TER: Will oil prices drive more consolidation
in the E&P space?
JW: I think there will be a feeling-out
period for the next few months, during which we probably won't see a lot of
deals happen. The bid and ask are very far apart: The people selling the assets
want $90/bbl and the people buying them want to pay $30–40/bbl. It's going to
take time to get those two numbers to a rational or meaningful gap, so that
people can actually sit down at a table and have a discussion about a
transaction.
That being said, I think we are going to see a
lot of consolidation and a lot of asset transactions over the coming year. I
don't think it will happen much in Q1/15, but after we get out a few months,
hopefully we will finally know what oil and gas pricing environment we're in.
Then I think we will see a rash of transactions, for both assets and companies.
TER: Can you identify some companies that are
ripe for this?
JW: The buyers will be larger companies that
have great balance sheets—that have the ability to pay for assets that are
probably not priced as highly as they would have been otherwise. I think Chesapeake
Energy will be very acquisitive, given its recent sales and great balance
sheet. Some of the companies in the Permian Basin , like Diamondback Energy Inc. (FANG:NASDAQ)
or even Pioneer Natural Resources Co. (PXD:NYSE), will look to pick off assets
at good prices, and they have the balance sheets to do it.
From a sales perspective, I think they're all
for sale right now. The price is probably too high. There could be some forced
selling in some weaker names, but to be honest I'm not sure who's going to be
able to pull the trigger, or who wants to.
TER: Are oil field services companies
responding differently to the oil price decline than E&Ps?
JW: Oil field services company revenues are
predicated on what the E&Ps do, so they're the second derivative. First,
you have oil prices coming down. Then you have E&Ps cutting spending very
hard. There is some lag time for effects to flow through the system, but then
the oil field services companies are going to get hit very hard as well. That's
probably going to happen in Q1/15 and Q2/15.
We haven't seen the rig count drop off
dramatically yet, but it has fallen the last three weeks. I expect to see a few
hundred rigs coming off in the relative near term. That's going to be very
difficult for the services companies. They are doing a lot of the same things
their customers are doing: cutting staff and spending to the bone just trying
to stay alive.
TER: Has Seventy Seven Energy shown the
effects of this?
JW: Not yet. None of the service companies
have shown impacts, from a reported numbers standpoint. In Q4/14, these
companies were working through the 2014 capex budgets of the E&Ps, so
across the board I think they did okay. Going forward though, starting in
Q1/15, they're all going to get hit.
Seventy Seven Energy has contracts to do a lot
of Chesapeake Energy's work, so about 80% of the company's revenues are from
Chesapeake Energy. Seventy Seven has one client that it has focused on a little
bit more than most, and I think that's going to serve Seventy Seven Energy very
well, given that Chesapeake Energy's financials are so great that it shouldn't
have to cut spending as much as the industry as a whole.
TER: Could that reliance on Chesapeake Energy
raise a red flag?
JW: Seventy Seven was a part of Chesapeake at this time last year. It was spun off and
given contracts to continue to provide services. It is focused on getting other
third-party work. It has already grown: It was at 92% Chesapeake Energy work in
Q1/14. Seventy Seven is focused on diversifying.
The percentage of work with Chesapeake is a double-edged sword. It's great to have
all this work from one client, but if that client does something different,
Seventy Seven could be adversely affected. In this market, I think it is
actually a benefit because Chesapeake Energy's going to do more work than most
in the space, and that's going to provide Seventy Seven with more work than
most service companies in the space.
TER: You slashed your price target for Triangle
Petroleum Corporation (TPO:TSX.V; TPLM:NYSE.MKT) from
$13/share to $6/share. Are you still positive on Triangle?
JW: We slashed a lot of our price targets
because we moved our oil deck so aggressively from the $90–95/bbl level to
$70/bbl. All of our targets came down pretty hard, Triangle Petroleum being no
exception.
I still like Triangle's story, as far as
having the services component of its business self-contained, because it also
has its midstream business. And while the Bakken is not a great place to be
right now, from weather or from a pricing standpoint, I think Triangle's
ability to maintain a couple of different assets—and that being investments in
companies—is going to serve it well for a longer-term investor looking at full
returns. Its separate businesses are worth more than the stock is today, and I
think people are missing that aspect of it.
TER: Your 2015 earnings per share estimate
for Gastar Exploration went from $0.80/share to $0.22/share. Is this company going
to have adequate revenue to justify the fundraising it did at the beginning of
the downturn?
JW: The fundraising is already done, so that
ship has sailed. At the same time, as I have said, our earnings estimates
across the board changed pretty dramatically because of the lower commodity
deck.
I think that, overall, Gastar Exploration will
do well. In fact, I think the money raised gives Gastar a lot of liquidity, at
just the right time, with the market closed up. The company's going to struggle
along with everyone else, but it now has a good balance sheet to get to the
other side. And it has a lot of nice assets. The assets are all held by
production, so the company does not have any capital commitments to worry
about.
TER: How did Gastar do that fundraising? What
was the mechanism?
JW: It was a straight common equity deal, as
many companies have done in the past. Gastar just happened to do it at the end
of the window so to speak. In fact, it paid down quite a bit of debt with the
funds.
TER: In closing, what's your advice for an
oil and gas investor in these times?
JW: If I'm in the chair, I am looking to
nibble at high-quality names. Probably not trying to take full positions in
anything, because it seems that every day any stock could be down 10%—not
necessarily because the company did something wrong, but because the market is
just not good right now. Prices are very, very depressed.
These price levels don't make sense from a
long-term perspective, and I think there is a lot of value in these names. If
you can hold your nose and stick with some good, high-quality names, there are
a lot of big returns to be made over the next 12, 24, maybe 36 months.
TER: Thank you.
Jason Wangler has over five
years of equity research experience focused on the E&P and oilfield
services sectors. Wangler previously worked at SunTrust Robinson Humphrey and
Dahlman Rose & Co. before moving to Wunderlich Securities. He also previously
worked at Netherland, Sewell & Associates Inc. as a petroleum analyst. He
received his Master of Business Administration from the University of Houston , where he was also named the 2007 Finance
Student of the Year. He received his Bachelor of Science degree in Business
Administration with a focus on finance from the University of Nevada , where he was named the 2003 Silver Scholar
award winner for the College of Business Administration . In 2010 he was highlighted as a "Best
on the Street" analyst by The Wall Street Journal and he has been a guest on CNBC.
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