Michael Waring Has Seen the Energy Downturn Movie Before, and He's Not Worried
Source: Tom Armistead of The
Energy Report (1/29/15)
With oil and gas prices down, it's
time to cull the herd, sell marginal producers and double down on the strong
ones in your portfolio, says Michael Waring, founder of Galileo Global Equity
Advisors Inc. In this interview with The Energy Report, Waring explains that this kind of
correction happens every 10 years in this space. It presents opportunities for
companies to improve and investors to profit—and he names four companies he
considers most likely to succeed.
The Energy Report: Michael, you said in November that the Organization of the
Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) expected the U.S. to share in reducing
production growth to help stabilize the oil market. Have events justified that
expectation?
Michael Waring: Events have not. But I think we need to address that
statement. I don't believe that the Saudis are out to hurt Iran, to punish the
Russians or to take down shale oil production in the U.S. I don't think this is
some Machiavellian scheme. I think it is simply a question of market share. The
Saudis are saying they have the lowest operating costs in the world, so why
should they be the first guys to cut? It makes more sense that the more
expensive guys cut production first. When you say it that way, you can actually
understand the point the Saudis are trying to make here. It wouldn't be logical
to assume that Russia or the U.S. would voluntarily take production down, but
it's going to be forced on them by lower prices.
And the Saudis have really talked
the price down. When you look at the rhetoric of the last two months, they've
gone out of their way to drive it down. I think the basic attitude has been
that if the high-cost guys don't want to voluntarily reduce production, we'll
make them reduce it by lowering the price to the point where it hurts.
TER: Will those low prices do permanent damage to the North
American industry?
MW: I wouldn't use the word permanent, but damage is being done
that will take probably more than a couple of years to recover from.
I think that the smaller oil and gas
companies on the shale oil and gas treadmill—and I refer to it as a treadmill
because they have to keep drilling aggressively if they want to keep their
production flat or growing—have a real problem now because the banks won't lend
to them, the bond markets are closed to them and they can't issue equity
because the stocks have collapsed. You'll see consolidation. And it's going to
shake a lot of the marginal guys out of the business.
"Investors want to use this as
an opportunity to clean house and go high grade into the companies that will
give good torque on the way up."
This happens every 10 years in the
oil and gas industry. It is a commodity business after all, and what's happened
to the price isn't way out of line with what's happened in the past. This is
actually a good thing about the industry: It tends to be self-correcting and
cleansing. What happens at a moment like this is that the good guys, with
really good plays, are solid and secure. It's the marginal guys that get
squeezed out, and the marginal guys tend to drive the cost up over time because
everybody is outbidding for services. If you clean all those guys out, then you
have a reset back to a lower cost base, and a focus on oil and gas plays that
make sense and generate a good economic return through full-cycle pricing.
TER: What should investors do in this market?
MW: In our own portfolio, if we have two or three names in the
energy sector that we were interested in, or that we owned but didn't have a
high degree of conviction in, we would use this as an opportunity to sell those
names and double down on the two or three stocks that we have a high degree of
conviction in—that we know will dramatically outperform coming out the other
side. That's a key. Investors probably want to use this as an opportunity to
clean house on the energy portion of their portfolios and go high grade into
the companies that will give good torque on the way up.
TER: Is there a silver lining for oil and gas investors in this
dark cloud of falling prices?
MW: In every previous cycle, prices 6–12 months after the
bottom are up quite sharply. I don't know the exact timing this time around,
but I do know that the harder and faster prices come down, the harder and
faster they're going to go up. That's typically been the case, unless you want
to utter those very dangerous words: "This time is different."
The point I would make is that we
have an opportunity to buy shares in companies where the stock price is down
50–60%, but the business models are not impaired and the companies have a solid
asset base. We are actually being given a gift. If you can look out one year,
it will be a gift to own these stocks at fabulous, attractive valuations.
TER: The Energy Information Administration (EIA) is forecasting
Brent crude averaging $58/barrel ($58/bbl) in 2015 and $75/bbl in 2016. What's
your forecast?
MW: We wouldn't be too far off that. I just had to send an
estimate out to a client, and we're thinking $70–75/bbl oil in 2016, and we're
depending on natural gas at $2.75–3.25 per thousand cubic feet
($2.75–3.25.Mcf).
TER: Is that oil price Brent or West Texas Intermediate (WTI)?
MW: That's WTI. I wouldn't say they're trading at parity, but
the gap between Brent and WTI has narrowed dramatically.
TER: Do you expect that to remain the case? They've been running
$3–4/bbl apart.
MW: On a go-forward basis, I'm expecting it to remain narrower
than it's been historically, or for the last two years, let's say.
TER: The EIA's forecast seems to point to an extended period for
lower prices. What oil and gas investments are safe in such a market?
MW: We have to remain focused on the fundamentals behind the
business. It's a moment where psychology has taken hold, and people have
forgotten, overlooked or can't be bothered with the fundamentals. The
fundamentals of each company on its own will tell us what we need to know. If
you look at the supermajors and large-cap oil companies, from Suncor Energy
Inc. (SU:TSX; SU:NYSE) to Canadian
Natural Resources Ltd. (CNQ:TSX; CNQ:NYSE)—we don't own those names and
those aren't part of our universe—any company of that stature is going to be
just fine. Likewise, a company like PrairieSky
Royalty Ltd. (PSK:TSX) on the royalty side is going to be fine. It's debt
free with a lot of cash. There are ways to play this sector at the moment,
looking at companies with very attractive valuations, solid balance sheets, and
secure assets and cash flow going forward. Something like PrairieSky, in my
mind, would certainly fit the bill.
TER: Are you expecting mergers and acquisitions (M&A)?
MW: I think there will be consolidation in the business. I
think that's inevitable. Having weak players without a lot of choices in terms
of flexibility going forward will lead to mergers and consolidations. But good
companies with good asset bases won't have to be in the M&A game. All they
need to do is focus on those assets.
TER: You have a diverse portfolio of companies. Are the
companies you're referring to in that portfolio?
MW: Yes, they are. We have a concentrated list of holdings in
oil and gas. Oil and gas currently makes up about 20% of our mutual fund
holdings. We have a fairly concentrated list of four or five names that we like
a lot.
TER: Can you talk a little about some of those?
MW: Sure. The first one would be Paramount
Resources Ltd. (POU:TSX). I think at one point late last summer, this was a
$65/share stock. It cut down to $22/share. It's currently $29/share. This is a
natural gas and liquids producer. It has exposure to a play in Western Canada,
along with a company called Seven Generations Energy Ltd. (VII:TSX). These two
companies together probably have the most attractive rock in the Western
Canadian sedimentary basin. The returns from this play are the highest we can
identify out there, because of the high level of liquids and condensate
produced alongside the natural gas.
"What happens at a moment like
this is that the good guys, with really good plays, are solid and secure."
Paramount has decided to build its
own infrastructure and its own gas processing plant, as opposed to using a
midstream company like a Keyera Corp. (KEY:TSX) or Pembina Pipeline Corp.
(PPA:TSX; PBA:NYSE). What that means is that on a go-forward basis, Paramount
will capture more margin and have lower operating costs and greater control
over its operations than a company using a third-party midstreamer.
We're very excited about this
company. It is currently producing 37,000 barrels a day (37 Mbbl/d) from a gas
plant that it brought on last June. It is adding a piece of equipment in the
plant that will allow it to deal with all the condensate and liquids coming out
of these wells. When that is complete in March, corporate production will
increase to 70–75 Mbbl/d in 2015. The company will have a dramatic increase in
production and a dramatic increase in cash flow.
The knock against the company is
that it borrowed a lot of money to build up this plant. It was a $250 million
($250M) capital expenditure, so the debt numbers look high. But we would argue
that once it is up and running at 75 Mbbl/d, on an annualized basis, the cash
flow is going to be $700M at $65/bbl oil. We think the debt/cash flow numbers
are going to dramatically improve. In this environment, how many companies can
double production in the next four to six months? Understand, the money is all
spent. The company has 45 wells standing behind pipe to support this plant once
the stabilizer comes onstream. There's nothing that Paramount has to do at the
margins. It's a slam dunk.
The risk is that we want to see this
stabilizer come onstream smoothly. It's going to have a startup period, but the
main plant itself was started up last spring, and Paramount has been able to
bring that on pretty steadily, without any problems or interruptions. This is a
name we like a lot. We think when prices finally bottom, this stock will
recover very quickly.
TER: What other companies do you like?
MW: One is Secure Energy Services Inc. (SES:TSX). This company deals
in oil field waste and water disposal. This is a razor blade-type story,
because Secure Energy provides a service to the industry, and whether prices
are up or down, the industry needs to deal with waste and water. As wells
mature in Western Canada, they tend to have higher water production over time,
so the older a well gets, the more water it produces. This is probably the most
solid of all the service businesses that we know of.
Management at Secure Energy is
great. I've known the guys for 15 years, maybe longer, and they've done an excellent
job to date, since the company has come public. Secure has been beaten up along
with other oil service names, but it stands apart. This company will stay
busy—maybe not at the same level, but it's going to stay busy.
"The Saudi attitude has been that
if the high-cost guys don't voluntarily reduce production, we'll make them
reduce it by lowering the price until it hurts."
Then I'd mention Canadian
Energy Services and Technology Corp. (CEU:TSX). It provides drilling fluids
to the oil and gas industry. Part of the business is tied to oil well drilling,
because the company makes specialized fluids needed to drill complex horizontal
wells. But it also produces chemicals used by the industry to stimulate
production from existing wells. This is a consumable-chemistry company, not a
true oil and gas service company. Again, it doesn't have to go out and invest
in all kinds of steel and iron. What it invests in is research and development
in a chemistry laboratory.
We like this company. It has
tremendous free cash flow because it doesn't have to buy and sit on equipment.
We think, again, this is a name that will come rocketing back when the time is
right. EOG
Resources Inc. (EOG:NYSE), in the States, is the biggest operator in the
Eagle Ford Basin—one of the best at what it does. It uses Canadian Energy
Services for all of its drilling fluids, so that should tell you something
about the quality of the product.
The last company—a straight oil
company—is Whitecap
Resources Inc. (WCP:TSX.V). It has top management and light oil. It has a
dividend yield of something like 7.25%. The all-in payout ratio is about 100%
at current prices, but that compares very favorably to most other
dividend-paying companies in the space. Whitecap has maintained a very steady
payout ratio. It is very good on the operating cost side. Again, this one will
come bouncing back when the psychology finally turns in the oil market.
TER: A lot of energy service companies are suffering because of
lower demand from their customers. Are Canadian Energy Services and Secure
Energy Services having that problem?
MW: To date, no, they are not. It's not to say that at some
point. . .Come spring breakup, will activity fall off? Yes, it probably will.
These companies will not be completely immune to a slowdown in the industry,
but they'll be a whole lot more immune than, let's say, contract drillers and
other service companies. And they'll provide really good torque on the upside.
Again, when the psychology turns and people decide it's not the end of the
world for the energy industry, names like this will be the first out of the box
to bounce back.
TER: What is going to give them a leg up?
MW: I think it's the high-quality nature of what they do. Both
companies provide something very specialized, as opposed to a fleet of generic
drilling rigs. They are not commodity-type businesses. In the case of Canadian
Energy Services, when it gets involved with a company like EOG Resources, it
tailors its drilling fluids to suit the needs of EOG in that particular field.
Once it gets engaged with a customer, it's very hard for that customer to go
somewhere else just because somebody can shave 10% off the price. This is very
specialized stuff. Once you get that relationship going, you have to really
screw up to lose that relationship.
TER: What are Paramount Resources and Whitecap Resources doing
to ensure they can survive in this low-price market?
MW: Both are watching their capex very carefully. Paramount
does not pay a dividend; Whitecap does. It has a history of raising that
dividend, and has done so every couple of quarters consecutively since it
became public. Just before Christmas, Whitecap said it was expecting to raise
the dividend in January this year, but it has decided to defer that increase
until it sees how things shake out.
"The harder and faster prices
come down, the harder and faster they're going to go up."
In both cases, it's a function of
how quickly these companies want to grow, or whether they want to slow down the
growth rate. They have the luxury of deciding their fates, of determining how
quickly the business grows or whether they're going to throttle back on capital
expenditures and slow it down.
TER: What qualities in a company catch your attention and keep
you interested?
MW: I think in oil and gas, first and foremost, it has to be
the management team. I don't know any other business where companies end up
reinvesting so much capital in the business. If you're not good at what you
do—if you're not good on the cost side—you can blow your brains out and destroy
capital very quickly. Investors should get a read on management—look at the
track record, the pedigree, etc. Operating costs and netbacks tell you a lot
about the caliber and diligence of management. Those are very important metrics
to look at.
Second, investors need to assess the
geology of the company's holdings. Asset quality can vary greatly between
companies. To use Paramount as an example, you can't own better rock in Western
Canada. Maybe somebody will find something else in the future, but at the
moment, this company has some of the best acreage in the business.
Understanding something about the geology is helpful.
It's never easy going through the
down times. I've been to this movie before, and quite frankly I'm tired of
seeing it. Each movie plays out a little differently, but it always ends up the
same. At the moment it feels like it's the end of the world, it will never come
back, etc., etc. But it always feels this way. Every cycle, it always feels
this way.
TER: Thank you for your insights.
Before forming Galileo Global Equity Advisors Inc. in 2000, Michael
Waring served from 1985 to 1999 as a vice president, director and portfolio
manager at KBSH Capital Management Inc., a private investment management firm
with over $10B under management. Waring obtained his master's degree in
business administration from the University of Western Ontario, is a CFA
charter holder and a member of the Toronto CFA Society.
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