Stephane Foucaud: How to Make Money in the Chaos of Oil and Gas
Source: Tom Armistead
of The Energy Report (3/11/15)
http://www.theenergyreport.com/pub/na/stephane-foucaud-how-to-make-money-in-the-chaos-of-oil-and-gas
Operating in difficult
conditions—whether political, logistical or technical—comes with the oil and
gas territory, but the collapse in oil and gas prices has added further
complexity and risk to the space. Though many companies have lost half or more
of their share price in the debacle, Stephane Foucaud of FirstEnergy Capital
tells The
Energy Report how to find
value in small-cap exploration and production names, and provides several
examples of companies poised to rebound on the upturn.
The Energy Report: Stephane, do you think the oil price has
hit bottom and is now recovering?
Stephane Foucaud: When the Brent oil price was close to
$50/barrel ($50/bbl), I think it was the bottom. It has recovered quite a bit.
There is a risk that it might dip again, but I don't think we will reach the
low $50s for quite some time. The reason I think there is a risk that the oil
price could dip is that there has been an overreaction to the North American
rig fleet reports, and particularly to what appears to be a large number of
rigs being taken out of the market. Those rigs are, however, associated with lower-producing
areas. Therefore, I think it's more sentiment than reality in terms of impact
on the supply. The recovery has been too steep.
TER: What prices are you forecasting for 2015
and 2016?
SF: For 2015, we are anticipating $59/bbl
Brent. For Q1/15, we have $54/bbl; Q2/15 at $58/bbl; we expect to end up at
$63/bbl. For next year, we have $72/bbl. The trend on the one-year view is
upward, but with some fluctuation.
TER: The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
(ISIS) is growing in Libya, and is threatening the oil industry there. How
would capture of the oil fields by ISIS affect commodity prices?
SF: Though it is part of the equation, and
Libya is a problem, production in Libya has already dropped a lot, and is
arguably already factored into the oil price. I think the situation in Iraq and
Kurdistan with regard to ISIS is equally, if not more, important. If you have
deterioration of the situation in Kurdistan and Iraq, that will have a positive
impact on the oil price. Now, that has to be considered in the context of
Venezuela potentially blowing up, which would be very serious, or Russia
disappointing. And Russia is currently a black box.
TER: What do you mean by black box?
SF: There are currently sanctions on Russia.
But I think most of the market does not really expect much decline in supply
this year from Russia. Very few oil forecasting agencies have a detailed model
as it applies to Russia, because there is very little visibility. So analysis
is often focused on the U.S., and to the north in Canada, where there is a free
flow of information and a lot of granularity. We don't have that level of
detail on Russia.
Russia is one of the
largest producers in the world. Any deviation from the broad assumption of
production not dropping this year in Russia could be very meaningful.
TER: You have a four-tier strategy for
investment, and you've slotted some of your companies into one tier or another.
How do you evaluate where they should go?
SF: First, I look at whether a company
remains fairly defensive, even in the current oil price environment, on the
strip curve for Brent. I am cautious about companies with overall asset value
being marginal on the strip curve for Brent, or with funding issues on the
strip. Second, I look at whether a company is operating in an area where the
risk profile is not too high, so there is not something that could suddenly
blow up. Taking too much political risk in the current market needs to offer
really material upside. Third, I look at the share price and see where I find
value on the house view for Brent.
TER: How has the collapse in commodity prices
affected the oil and gas companies you cover?
SF: First, their share prices have been hit
extremely hard. Most companies have seen their share prices halved—and
sometimes more than halved—but not all of them. The ones that are very well
funded have been more defensive. Second, the fundamental values of the assets
have gone down. Third, given the reduced cash flow, companies face issues with
their balance sheets and the repayment of any debt.
So today it's about
looking at companies that are able to survive in the current environment, and
are still offering value on the strip. The companies we like in the current
environment are those whose share prices have dropped much more than the
underlying value of their assets, and those that are still funded.
Companies we like at
the moment include Premier
Oil Plc (PMO:LSE) andTransGlobe
Energy Corp. (TGL:TSX; TGA:NASDAQ). Premier is a North Sea story, and the market is somewhat
concerned with its debt. The company is embarking on a relatively low-risk
exploration program in the Falklands. A success could attract a farm-in
partner, which would be a rerating event as investors do not seem to ascribe
much value to this group of assets. TransGlobe Energy is cheap, and arguably
offers the benefit of being in an area where the politics are getting a bit
better.
TER: How will TransGlobe Energy's writedown
of its Yemeni assets affect the company?
SF: I think the writedown was broadly
expected. The situation in Yemen is difficult and pretty complex. We are not
fundamentally surprised that the company decided to write down its assets. The
contribution to the company value compared to shareholder expectation is
absolutely minimal.
TER: How has Premier Oil responded to the
collapse in oil prices?
SF: Premier has kept its net debt almost at
the same level. The net debt level has been higher than the current market cap
for some time.
The fact that Premier
explores in the North Sea means it is, by definition, quite sensitive to the
oil price. At one point, the share price was half what it was before the oil price
collapse. That's quite significant given that Premier is one of the blue-chip
exploration and production companies listed in London, with good hedge in place
on its production. The shares are also very liquid.
So it has been
difficult. The value of the company has gone down because the oil price is
lower and it has fairly high-cost assets. But, again, that's what you'd expect
in a world where the oil price drops.
TER: Premier has described its hedging policy
as "conservative." What does that mean in practice?
SF: It means that the oil price at which the
company is hedged is quite high, and that a fairly important component of its
production is being hedged. Particularly when you look at the lower oil price
environment, the overall cash flow of the firm is enough—or close to being
enough—for the company to operate with confidence.
For instance, if the
indebtedness of a company is quite low, and if the costs associated with its
assets are also quite low, one would argue that such a company would need less
hedging than a company that needs a high oil price to make its assets work and
to repay debt. By "conservative," Premier means it is quite resilient
to a low oil price, and can deal with fairly high-cost assets and a high level
of debt.
TER: Is there a last company you would like
to mention?
SF: Our argument for Tethys
Petroleum Ltd. (TPL:TSX; TPL:LSE) is based on growing production to China, increasing gas
export price, and exploration upside in Tajikistan. But more than anything,
it's all about the completion of the deal with a Chinese private equity firm
that would be buying 50% of Tethys' Kazakh asset. The value of this deal is
more than Tethys' current market cap. At the time that this deal closes, the
company gets over US$80 million (US$80M), which compares with a market cap at
the moment of less than £30M (about US$45M). You can see the investment logic.
This is almost 50% upside on the transaction with the Chinese private equity
firm. Beyond that, there is production growth and exploration upside in
Tajikistan. The upside is quite significant.
TER: How are you advising investors to
proceed in the oil and gas space now, given current prices?
SF: Look for names that offer liquidity.
Look at the value of a firm based on the future curve for the oil price, and
look for companies that have value at that level. If the oil price gets better
then great, there will be some upside. Our approach is quite
cautious—liquidity, value on the strip, upside beyond the strip, and the
relative assurance that there won't be a serious debt issue in the near term.
TER: Thank you very much for your time,
Stephane.
Stephane Foucaud is managing director, institutional
research, of FirstEnergy Capital LLP. Before joining FirstEnergy, he was head
of oil and gas research at Fox Davies Capital and senior oil and gas analyst at
Société Générale in London, covering Royal Dutch Shell, BP, BG Group, Statoil
and Cairn Energy. Foucaud also worked for Schlumberger for seven years in
various technical, operational management and corporate strategy roles. He
holds a master's degree in engineering from the National School of Electrical
and Mechanical Engineering of Nancy, France, a master's degree in exploration
production from the French Petroleum Institute, and a master's degree in
business administration from INSEAD in France.
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